Tag: tasers

  • How many people do police kill?

    We don’t know how many people are killed by police. That’s an outrage. But seriously, think about it: police kill more people than America executes. We spend a lot of time and money when it comes to executions. And we don’t even count those killed by police. And this isn’t even a pro- or anti-police issue. Either way we just need to know.

    Here’s somebody who is taking it on himself to keep track. It might even work. Similar methods have been used to give us idea of how many people have been killed as a result of fighting the drug war in Mexico. Another website keeps very good track of Taser-related deaths since nobody else does (about one per week, in case you were wondering. And here’s a parallel site).

  • “Can’t tase me, bro!”

    There’s an excellent article by the Atlantic’s Conor Friedersdorf about the use of a taser for non-compliance. I’ve long argued that, without an actual threat, tasers should not be used for compliance. The taser is too easy, usually not necessary, and sometimes kills people.

    Now I’m all for people complying with lawful orders; you do not have the right to refuse a lawful police order. But this case gets at the heart of non-compliance. What do you do when somebody does not comply?

    Cops will be quick to justify use of force for non-compliance. I don’t have a quibble with that. But what kind of force is reasonable? Lethal force is not OK. Hands-on is OK. But what about the taser? Sometimes you need to take a step back and ask what kind of society we want to live in.

    Personally, I don’t want to live in a society where non-threatening people — whether they are criminally stupid or not is beside the point — routinely get zapped by government agents.

    (Just think, this is why our Founding Fathers were wise enough to include the right against self-incrimination in the 5th Amendment. Were it not for the right to remain silent, police could and would use tasers in routine interrogations.)

    Tasers have been used — shamefully, I might add — against naked people, the homeless, a legless man in a wheelchair (you can’t make this shit up), a 76-year-old man driving a tractor, a 10-year-old girl, a guy running on a baseball field (I thought that one was OK), the “Don’t tase me, bro” dude, a guy who didn’t understand English, and the misuse of a taser led to a good police offier’s suicide. If you scroll down to the bottom of the Atlantic piece, you can see lots of bad taser-use videos.

    Now there are good uses for the Taser, and tasers have been shown to reduce injuries. (Serious question: how many injuries prevented per taser-related death is acceptable?) But none of this, not even National Institute of Justice recommendations, justify the massive overuse of tasers in law enforcement. Police are trained to use tasers for non-compliance. In many of those above instances, officers were acting in accordance with their training and regulation. And then the same officers were punished when the craziness of such training and policy becomes apparent.

    What I like about this recent case is that I can see the complete absolutely correct unassailable logic… for both sides of the case.

    Here’s what happened: a jogger, Gary Hesterberg, is stopped by a law-enforcement officer for an infraction. Hesterberg doesn’t have ID and says his last name is Jones. He then fails to comply with a lawful order and resists arrest. Finally, when attempting to flee, Hesterberg gets tased and arrested. So clear cut. So logical. But the problem with such a description is that no matter how logical each step is, at some point it is absurd — to use phrasing of the court it is not “objectively reasonable” — to use a Taser against a jogger violating a leash law!

    In court, the government conceded the violation was minor. Lying to police officer and failure to comply are less minor, but, said the court, “not inherently dangerous or violent.” Still, all this and the jogger’s resistance to arrest “weighs in the government’s favor.” The arrest was valid. The court accepted the government’s claim that “using communication skills was not a viable alternative to effect Hesterberg’s arrest.” Nor was arresting the jogger at his house — he gave his real address but said his last name was Jones — given the jogger’s willingness to lie. The jogger said he wasn’t even certain that green-uniformed Federal Park Ranger was law enforcement. The court said, tough titty, kid. And the court also understood that the jogger could have avoided this whole mess had he simply A) given his real name or B) complied with lawful orders.

    And court understands that the decision made by the officer needs only be reasonable “from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.” This makes allowance for the fact that “police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments.”

    Now given all this, I would think the court is about to offer unqualified support for the government’s position and taser use. From Tennessee v. Garner (cops can’t shoot a fleeing felon), when know the government interest in stopping a fleeing suspect is not absolute:

    The Court finds that the intrusion on Hesterberg’s Fourth Amendment interest to be free from being tased greatly outweighs the minimal governmental interest in apprehending him for his violations of the law. Cavallaro’s use of her taser on Hesterberg was therefore unconstitutional.

    Did you get that? Here it is again: “The government’s interest in apprehending Hesterberg is simply too low to justify his tasing even if he willfully disregarded such a warning.” Daaaaamn.

    Weren’t listening? One last time: “The Court is not persuaded that the need to identify Hesterberg for his low-level violations of law justify Cavallaro’s use of the taser, even if the taser was the only tool remaining to collect Hesterberg’s identifying information.” Boo-ya.

    So what are you supposed to do? Let him jog away? Uh, yes. This is news to me and to most cops,

    Let him flee. Even if you have less-lethal weaponry at your disposal.

    This requires a seismic shift in the minds of law enforcement. Under certain circumstances sometimes it is OK, permissible — even required — to simply allow a person under arrest to flee. Cops will hate this, but it is a common sense, pro-police discretion, and pro-4th Amendment decision. It is worth remembering that though Garner was not “pro-police,” it turned out great for cops: scores fewer officers shot and killed!

    The judge, and this is important, even recognized that her decision goes against the regulations of the law enforcement agency that would permit tasing a 9-year-old girl or an 8-month pregnant woman: “The Court cannot imagine a rational fact-finder that would find it reasonable to tase a nonviolent and nonthreatening nine-year-old or eight-month-pregnant woman fleeing from non-serious misdemeanors.” Good.

    The jogger got $50,000.

    This certainly puts the rank-and-file in an awkward position. Their departmentally justified use-of-force policy is deemed, after the fact, to be unconstitutional and negligent. Once again somebody is telling police what not to do without any clear guidance as to what to do.

    Since you know it will take ages for police departments to catch up. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few police officers sue their own police department for policies that encourage or require officers to violate their oath to the constitution. “Failure to obey” doesn’t mean you get to use every toy on your belt. Police need to use their intelligence and common sense to understand the totality of the circumstance. I’ve got no problem with that. Because police generally have, despite what some may think, plenty of intelligence and common sense. Officers just need support from above and permission to use that discretion.

    I’m curious what cops out there might think. If you think this decision is absurd — if you think it should be OK for a cop to tase a minor offender fleeing arrest — at what kind of weaponry would you draw the line? Would rubber bullets be OK? Dog? Tear gas? Flash grenade? Sound cannon? Anything short of the lethal force prohibited by Garner? Or was Garner wrongfully decided?

    In an age where more and more less-lethal weaponry is in the hands of police, I think it’s important to clarify what kind of force is reasonable. For a leash-violation, a taser crosses the line.

    [Here’s a pdf of the court decision by the Federal Northern District of California case 13-cv-01265-JSC.]

    [Also, with regards to previous posts on race and police, it seems relevant to point out that the jogger was white. Had the jogger been black, I’m sure this would be seen as a racial incident and some people would claim, “Police never would have stopped a white jogger, much less tased him!” And this despite seeing again and again that police sometimes overreact to people of all races.]

  • Good use of Taser

    NYPD subdue armed mentally disturbed man. Nobody seriously hurt.

    That’s the headline you should read every now and then. But you rarely do.

    I’m not a big fan of the Taser, but this seems to me exactly what it is designed for.

    What’s odd, at least to me, is that here is a perfect use of the Taser. A crazy gets zapped. Nobody gets seriously hurt. And yet at least one media source seems to imply something bad happened.

    Also, does the NYPD really respond to 100,000 EDPs a year? Seems awfully high to me. And what the hell does, “routinely result in injuries or death” mean. I seriously doubt there the NYPD responds to 275 EPD calls per day. But if that is the case, and people are “routinely” injured, does “routinely” mean say, half the time? So there are 6 EDPs injured by the NYPD every hour? Now that would be a real story… except it’s not true. I’m not quite certain what the story here is, except for a job well done by the NYPD.

    Anyway, “cops do good job” indeed isn’t much of a headline. Nor is “violent crazy man committed to hospital, everybody goes home” a great lede. Still, it seems appropriate to give the police credit when it is due. I mean this is what Tasers are for.

    [hat tip to Sgt B]

  • “Excited Delirium” is not a real medical condition

    Best I can figure, it was invented (or at least inspired by) the Taser corporation (correct me if I’m wrong here).

    But it’s not a real cause of death. That being said, it’s usually used to get cops off the hood when someone dies after being Tased.

    But now some high guy dies and the police officer might (but probably will not) get in trouble? If there’s any crime here, it sure wasn’t committed by the police.

    The story from the New York Times.

    And I’ve never heard of this pseudo bullshit medical condition being used in a situation that wasn’t Taser related. Again, correct me if I’m wrong.

    And since when did the NYC M.E. buy into the concept of “Excited Delirium”?

  • If you can say, “I can’t breath”…

    If you can say, “I can’t breath”…

    The first thing that jumps to mind in the death of Eric Garneris that somebody who is repeatedly saying “I can’t breath” is, in fact, breathing. It’s a basic rules of choking, first aid, and well, the way we speak. [Update: Seems I’m probably very wrong about this.]

    Also, I’m no expert in chokeholds (because most departments forbid them), but what I do know is that a chokehold can either block the windpipe (which won’t kill you, since suffocation takes a while after you pass out) or block the carotid(?) arteries in the neck (which technically isn’t a chokehold but a strangle-hold). The former is done with the arm flat on the windpipe. The latter is more a vice grip, and you’ll go out pretty quickly. It’s pretty lethal. If you’re on the giving end, you have to let go as soon as the person drops if you don’t want the person on the receiving end to die.

    I don’t see either of those being a factor here… though it doesn’t look good for the officer in green, Agent 99, who did grab Mr. Garner’s neck, since chokeholds are forbidden. That officer also may have rushed the decision to put Mr. Garner in custody. Generally I’m for a hand-on approach to physically controlling a guy. And it’s not easy to control a man as large as Mr. Garner. I’d be more critical if Mr. Garner died after being Tased.

    But this is not a chokehold (though it’s possible one was used later).

    And yet the Daily News caption in an article about chokeholds says “Eric Garner was put in a chokehold as Staten Island police tried to subdue him Thursday.” The officer (Agent 99) is using a half nelson and pulling on the guy’s neck for leverage to bring him down and to the right, which he does. He’s not near the windpipe, and this does not seem to be an attempt to choke the guy. So it’s not a chokehold. Does that distinction matter if the guy is dead? Well, yes. Because chokeholds are forbidden, and the guy is dead.

    But there’s an important difference between saying “the cops killed him with a forbidden chokehold for resisting” (as I’ve heard people say) and “he died while resisting.” Once you decide the guy is under arrest, what would you do? Mayor DiBlasio said he watched the video like family. Well, I watched it like a cop. And it’s not easy to get cuffs and a large resisting man. Just because he died, which is a tragedy, doesn’t mean he was killed, which is homicide. Certainly it will matter what the autopsy shows.

    What you have is a very large and presumably out-of-shape asthmatic man resisting arrest, perhaps because he didn’t deserve to be arrested. (I don’t know, I wasn’t there.) There do seem to be multiple witnesses (actually at the scene, I might add, which isn’t a given when it comes to “witnesses”) saying the same thing: Mr. Garner was a peacemaker trying to break up a fight. [But the officers seem to be arresting Mr. Garner for something else entirely: selling a cigarette.]

    Mr. Garner, apparently, has been arrested 30-some times. And that very well may be why police focused on him.

    But best I can tell (and again, I may be wrong), Mr. Garner seems to be little more than a repeat offender for the criminal offense of… selling loosie cigarettes! Now of all the idiot war-on-drugs nonsense… illegal cigarette selling should be low on the list of law-enforcement priorities. The guy died for selling loosies? And if he was selling them for 75 cents each (I don’t know the going price for loosies), then they’re cheaper than buying them legally by the pack. If he’s selling them for a dollar, then he’s making a good profit!

    Why are about half of all the cigarettes sold in New York illegal? Because the tax is too high, and that has created a very large black market. The thing about legal regulated drug selling is it needs to make sense.

    High taxes on cigarettes — $5.85 a pack ($4.35 New York State plus another $1.50 for New York City — were politically popular under Bloomberg, but probably do more harm than good in New York. That, just as much as any chokehold, contributed to the death of Eric Garner.

    Selling loosies shouldn’t be a crime.

    [The post has been updated. And see this as well, dispelling the idea that if you can talk, you can’t be not able to breathe.]

  • Tasers safe on people who won’t be tased

    An NIJ report says Tasers are fine when used on “healthy, normal, nonstressed, nonintoxicated persons.” Okaaaay…

    [Thanks to The Agitator]

    [Update: I just read the report. It is quite an unambiguous green-light for Taser use: “Law enforcement need not refrain from using CEDs to place uncooperative or combative subjects in custody.” It’s that “uncooperative” part I do not like. The report concludes: “CED use is associated with a significantly lower risk of injury than physical force, so it should be considered as an alternative in situations that would otherwise result in the application of physical force.” But what about when the alternative is verbal persuasion? And isn’t somerisk of increased physical injury justified if it saves a life? An approximately 1 in 400 chance of serious injury or death are not odds I would want to play.

    Here’s the latest one. And Electronic Village keeps a pretty good list of Taser deaths. Or, should I say, people whose time happened to come coincidentally just a few moments after they happen to be Tasered.

  • Tasers equal fewer injuries

    That’s the result of a study by Bruce Taylor and Daniel J. Woods of PERF in Police Quarterly.

    You can’t read the whole article without a subscription, but here’s the abstract (CED = taser, to you and me):

    The Conducted Energy Device (CED) weapon holds the potential to reduce injuries for officers/suspects. However, the dearth of research on CEDs makes it difficult to make informed decisions about its deployment. We conducted a quasi experiment to compare 4 years of data from seven law enforcement agencies (LEAs) with CED deployment with six matched LEAs without CED deployment. Compared with non-CED sites, CED sites had lower rates of officer injuries, suspect severe injuries, and officers and suspects receiving injuries requiring medical attention. Our results suggest that CEDs can be effective in helping minimize physical struggles and resulting injuries in use-of-force cases.

  • 2007 Vancouver Airport Taser Death “Not justified”

    No it wasn’t.

    This is the story of poor 40-year-old Robert Dziekanski. He was flying first time, to visit his mother and emigrate to Canada. He didn’t speak English. She told him to wait by the luggage carousels. He did. She couldn’t get in there and waiting outside for hours, thought he missed his flight, and went home. He waited around for many hours. Then he went a little bonkers. Four officers confronted him and wanted to use their toy. Either that or they were too wimpy to confront one unarmed person. Regardless, they tased Dziekanski for non-compliance, killing him.

    From the story in the National Post.

    Dziekanski, who spoke no English and had never been on a plane before, was unable to find his mother upon arriving at the airport. He remained in a secure customs area for nearly 11 hours and then, appearing dazed and delirious, began throwing around furniture, prompting the 911 call.

  • Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and taser!

    Damn Yankees. The Orioles lost. It was kind of a mismatch. But the O’s did at least make things interesting by getting the tying runs on base in the 9th.

    There was some minor scuffle near me that resulted in many crying children. Oh, nothing like the bleachers in Yankee Stadium to make me want to root against the Yankees even more! During this curfuffle, the bleacher crowd shifted in chant from “Ass-hole” to (with the cadence of, “Let’s-Go-Yan-kees”): “Use-The-Tas-er!” I was amused.

  • Good Use of Taser

    I don’t think I’ve ever used that headline before.

    I don’t like Tasers, generally. But if you run from police and can’t be easily caught? I got no problem.

    It’s tasing in situations of unarmed passive non-compliance that I strongly object to.

    I’m going to the Yankee game tomorrow. Go O’s!