Police kill white people, too

But you usually don’t hear about it. I call this the Al Sharpton effect. There is no white version of Al Sharpton.

As the trial of the officers involved in the Sean Bell killing begins, I’ve been thinking more about police-involved shootings and race. Given media reports, it certainly seems like police only kill black people. But I know this isn’t true.

I did a little research. According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports from 2000 to 2004, police-involved “justifiable homicides” kill about 350 people a year, 99 percent by shooting. [Update: That UCR data is horribly flawed. Some updated information starting here. And continuing here, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. Also this post.]

Virtually all police-involved killings, most for good reason, are categorized as justifiable. Of those killed by police, 32 percent are black and 64 percent are white. While the percentage of blacks killed is high compared with the black percentage in America (13%), it is low compared with other indicators of violence, such as the percentage of homicide victims and offenders believed to be African American (both 48%)

Perhaps it is more useful to compare police-involved shootings with those killed by non-police officers. Among “justifiable homicides” by regular citizens—about 210 a year—African-Americans are 40 percent of those who kill and 56 percent of those killed. Compared with these numbers, police seem restrained in their use of force toward the black community.

Of course the numbers do not tell us the race of innocentpeople killed. And numbers are no solace to the family of any victim of police bullets.

Update (December 2014): Here’s a video of a black officer shooting an unarmed white person. (A disabled vet, for what it’s worth.) It happened in March, 2014. I didn’t hear about it till much later. Unarmed white people who get shot by police just do not become national news.

Though horrible, and in hindsight wrong, I think the shooting was justifiable. Though not exactly a good shooting… but when that guy gets out of the pick-up truck and the long hard object goes up and into my face — and keep in mind I’m watching a youtube video and I *know* it’s not going to be a gun — I still felt my ass pucker.

Would a reasonable officer have feared for his or life in that situation? Yeah, potentially, probably, I think so.

It would have been great if the cop had known it was a cane. It also would have been great if the guy hadn’t gotten out of his truck on the highway and reached for his cane.

A mistake. But I think a reasonable one. I’d let that cop off.

And just in case you think this is the only unarmed white guy shot by police, here is a second case. Despite what some people think, it’s really not that rare for an unarmed white person to be killed by police.

[Update: Here’s a 2014 post with racial data on cop killers and those killed by police.

And in 2015 I discovered better non-UCR data.]

101 thoughts on “Police kill white people, too

  1. I am sure that police kill whites but how many innocent whites have they killed and gotten away with that is the real question.

  2. That is the real question. Some, certainly. But you rarely hear about it. Google Joseph Schultz and Christopher Braga. Horrible shooting. The agents weren’t even indicted.

  3. sure thers no al sharpton but the media is biased thats why u only see blacks doing crimes when all americans do.the 3 major networks are the al sharptons of white america as they put a black face on crime and never show faces of white criminals. 72 percent of american drug users are white but most blacks in jail are there for drug possesion and theres more black in jail than whites on drug possesiom charges.
    on whites walk on charges that blacks receive incarceration for.
    its all in a human rights watch report. not to mention that 85% of white homicide victims are killed by whites yet you have all these racist ass ppl talkin about how niggers do crime and are violent when they virtually have nothing to fear from blacks in regards to violent crime. police are so busy tryin to throw us in jail they leave white america completely exposed. then you hear how ” that type of thing normally doesnt happen in our neighborhood”
    bull fuckin shit it is largely suppressed.

  4. JUST ANOTHER DEAD BY COP BLACK MAN
    The family of the black Pace University football star fatally shot by white cops. Who claim he plowed into two officers believes he was "singled out" because he is black — and is vowing not to rest until they learn the truth of what happened that fateful night. Danroy "DJ" Henry's family "feels he was singled out by the police because he's a young African-American," said Annemarie Masciarelli, the next-door neighbor and close friend of Henry's parents."We will not stop until the truth is out!" wrote parents, Danroy Sr. and Angela Henry, who hours before DJ's death had watched him play the last football game of his life in Pace University's homecoming game. Henry's killing early Sunday morning outside a Mount Pleasant bar in Westchester County occurred after the junior defensive player began driving off — hitting several cops — when an officer tapped on his car window as he sat parked in a fire lane with several buddies. What is being lost is::
    1.Why would any person jump in front of a moving car?
    2. Why would cops shoot at unarmed citizen in a car?
    3. If Mr.Danroy accidentally hit two cops does that justify murder?
    4. Did Mr. Danroy think the tapping on his window was for him to move his car?
    5. Why did cops go against protocol which state officer can not shoot at a moving car?
    6. Why is it that ones again it's a unarmed black man in a car HELLO SEAN BELL?
    7. Why is the option of shooting the tires out when unarmed black people are involve off the table?
    8. Why didn't cops write down the Licence plate?
    NOTE: This is now the NORM in America! Unarmed black men are shot by mostly white cops! Are back to work before the body is out the hospital or in the ground! Shamefully Mr. Danroy will become just another murder by cops black man. The police will lie and say Mr.Danroy was drunk and will state the he had a record whether he does or not! To justify murdering a unarmed human being for nothing!!!! A judge or jury will find that the cops where justify. Even after many witness come forward and state that the cops LIED! Black life is seen as worthless and cops don't have to worry about losing their jobs for murdering a black child or adults!

  5. Its no surprise that racism is alive and well in this country. Its a shame that a young man was shot for no reason, But when everybody starts talking about it being a race motivated shooting it gets people riled up and ready to go to the streets and riot. Then more people are harmed. Its no wonder when we have people like Oprah, Whoopie, and Al Sharpton doing their best to keep racism in the minds of people across the U.S. Racism will never die as long as people keep blaming everything that happens on it. Who are the real racists?

  6. Everyone just hush. This is so dumb. Black people wonder why they get a bad rep, let me tell you. When a young black male dies, why does that give you the right to riot and loot? Why do you destroy your own community over a single death? You act like children. You act like you celebrate these deaths. Like black people just sit around watching the news all day, and as soon as they see "white cop kills black teen" you go get your friends start rioting, looting, and intentionally causing violence. You act like you're justified, but you're not. White people watch other people die all the fucking time. And what do most of us do? We go about our own lives being thankful that it didn't happen to us. We don't flip our own towns upside down over it. It doesn't matter what your skin color is, chances are you will be persecuted for SOMETHING until the day you die. You just need to learn to live with it so that others may have peace.

  7. Easy for you to say! I'm light brown living in Oregon, I see those eyes of mistrust! I have never been aware of the color of my skin until I hit 30 and felt more aware of my surroundings! I feel for the black community! I see how they get treated! How I get treated! Enduring racist jokes! All by white people! Anyway, doesn't matter! Whites will be the minority in the next decades to come! Don't get me wrong, my family is white as well

  8. How many of the white folks killed by police were unarmed? Were they killed during the commission of a crime? Were they minding there own business, find me just two cases where a black cop has killed an unarmed white person. Just as the saying goes, those with power tend to abuse it, well the police are gangs, gangs were started to protect folks from another supposedly dangerous gang,eventually your power of the gun will make you feel invincible and instead of you being a protector of the good you morph into exactly what you started out defending, so yes the police are a GANG, rules are "puttin in work" (kills under your belt) NO SNITCHING, and you are your brothers keeper! I don't care if a cop kills whoever, IF that person was innocent then someone should avenge that persons death, with extreme prejudice, and I'm sure this shyt will stop, strange that the police don't screw with arab americans, I suspect because they know that they have no fear and they will retaliate, look at Israel, those arabs are NOT marching, or calling in speakers, they are getting some retribution, if you're looked at as subhuman and it's open season on you then common sense would tell you to turn the tables and become the hunter. EVERY white person believes the lie of blacks being "dangerous" when in fact it is their own kind who commits the most crimes, I know some dyck will spout off the usual "percentage of population yada yada yada" but facts are facts, bottom line is the police need to be watched, isn't it mysterious how the cops car was parked crossways instead of straight forward so the dash video (if equipped) could be seen? I'm sick and tired of the whites(not all, only the ignorant ones)who quickly believe the "he went for my gun" crap, just as in the Trayvon Martin case WHO IN THE FUDGE is that stupid to go for someone's gun when they themselves were minding their business! There are some good cops but just as you whites lump ALL BLACKS in with the ones that do illegal things I'm doing the same with cops, fudge them ALL!

  9. Joseph Schultz(innocent 20 year old white man shot in the face)….James Whitehead (also innocent and unarmed)

  10. "Joseph Schultz(innocent 20 year old white man shot in the face)….James Whitehead (also innocent and unarmed)"

    That is seriously the best argument you have? There were FOUR unarmed black people shot by police THIS MONTH.

  11. In a corrupt, unconstitutional, rougue, out-of-control, illegal, oppressive, lethal, oligarchy, like the U.S, police should be killed by citizens, for not only actual, but potential threats and damages to legitimate citizens. This has to be the case because the state(local, state, and federal), has ceased to exist as a legitimate governing body, due to it's malfeasance.

  12. Unfortunately a few make all look bad for every race . If everybody would just give each a chance we would all realize we could get along. This country is falling apart because of these types of things. We need to stand together for everything not just when it happens to any race. I'm white by the way. And my dad is old fashion. I'm 32

  13. Its amazing you have got to travel the whole world and meet every person 🙂 your statement confused me because you said every white person thinks one thing? Yet your only sick of the ignorant ones? I think we should follow the late martin luther king jr advice. he made change in this world and brought people together.

  14. Yeah and I'm white in a black neighborhood and everyone here but two neighbors talk to me everyone else give me dirty looks and talk about me and my family. They even jumped my daughter and she is only nine and it was five of them. When my wife said something to the kids the parents acted like animals and tried to jump her. So you tell me again how you feel for the black community how about the white family in a black community. I have to sit outside when my kids go outside to make sure they don't get hurt. Don't tell me blacks aren't prejudice either because my son don't even know what that is had never even heard the word but yet every black child in this neighborhood knows the word and the meanings because their parents teach them to be. Or even when I was younger and was in a kids home with only five white students and 32 black students and had to sleep with a broken mop handle under my mattress because they jumped us all the time. So don't tell me because I know better! I'm a 37 year old man and even after all that I'm still not prejudice and I say prejudice not racist because I don't think any race is better then the other. Sorry if I offend you be cause that was not my intention.

  15. I too am curious how many black cops have killed white people. The UCR will have that data (though I'm not home to access it). It's happened, I can assure you, but the number will be small. For two reasons:
    1) There are no white neighborhoods as violent as the most violent black neighborhoods. And police-involved shootings are highly correlated with neighborhood violence. And then 2) there are not many black officers patroling in high-crime/drug white areas.

  16. Proven fact that when people are angry and upset they will destitute anything close to them. Yes it's stupid to destroy you own town but it's a natural reaction. It's was done many times during the 1700,s when the British was the authorities and were the olive at that time people. They would shoot for many wrong reasons. The people seen and the didn't like it so they rioted and many or their town were burned down by who themselves. I think you hate the race card is pulled. But the fact of the matter is you are still missing the real sole purpose. White people thru out history are notorious for the crafty ways. It's in ever history book. They stretch the truth to work in their favor. It was done to the Indians, it was done to the Chinese it was done in africa. It's being done to any race the not their own.

  17. confused asks,, the united states is far from being racist free, that is obvious.. I WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO ONE QUESTION,, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE THIS MASS LOOTING AND BURNING , AND PLAIN VANDELISM WHEN A COP SHOOTS AND KILLS AN UNARMED WHITE PERSON? i THINK THE BAD BLACK SECTIONS OF THESE TOWNS, ARE USING THESE TRADGEDYS AS A REASON TO PERFORM THESE CRIMES.. these people need to be caught and be drug through the legal system.. instead of the public feeling sorry for them.. To ad to this I THINK IT IS TIME FOR ALL MINORITIES IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD QUIT SHOVING DOWN THE THROGHTS OF THEIR YOUNG PEOPLE WHAT HAPPEND TO THEIR ANCESTORS IN THIS COUNTRY ALONG TIME AGO,, THE PEOPLE HERE TODAY WAS NOT THERE, WE DID NOT DO THAT, AND THEY NEED TO LET IT GO , SO THIS COUNTRY CAN GO FORWARD.. THAT'S RIGHT , THE BLACK MAN, THE NATIVE AMERICANS , AND MANY OTHER RACES THAT MIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY ALONG TIME AGO, NEEDS TO ,LET IT DIE i grew up in a major city in this country and am totally ashamed of the way people treat each other,, they ought to be ashamed , and because of the ignorance, they are not thinking of the future of their kids , or this county

  18. The point is you people focusing on skin color is the problem. Police brutality has been a big deal for all races but it's ok when it happens to whites and believe the fbi stats,it happens to whites more than blacks but the media wouldn't have you informed of that. They focus on this crapola as a misdirection and boy is it working. I know I know, I'm a racist pig blah blah blah. Fact of the matter is, many black people love this shit cause it justifies their own racism.

  19. Why is it that people don't talk about the 22 blacks that are murdered in this country daily by other blacks? That's over 7000 per year. It is time that you stopped blaming others for the high crime and murder rates in your community.

    When 70% of the babies born into the black community have no fathers and no male guidance, crime and gangs are a natural outcome.

    When 40% of blacks drop out of high school in LA,

  20. Tell me what that 70 percent statistic actually says and tell me how it relates to "no male guidance." Seriously.

  21. I honestly think that these successful black "leaders" that make money off "black suffrage", may be encouraging bad behavior by making certain cases such an outrage. The more chaos, the more money for Sharpton, Jackson, Melissa Harris-Perry, etc. Or maybe they are trying to get them all to kill each other.

  22. Cops have helped me more times than not. When cops don't act things get out of hand like in St.Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Louisiana, where there are cops but no one cooperates to help catch the murderers. So no, killing them will bring in all thugs instead of thugs being the exception on the force.

  23. huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/tyler-comstock-shot-dead-police-iowa-state-university_n_4234039.html

    usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/06/22205826-family-demanding-answers-after-police-fatally-shoot-mentally-ill-nc-teenager

    theantimedia.org/police-kill-mentally-ill-teen-after-family-calls-for-medical-help/

  24. lets hope this does not turn into a circus. Can a person imagine faking a crime just for the media attention? world wide exposure. It sure does help us learn our geography. But as usual we will forget and get back on with our lives. Its to bad that young man died and all the problems it has caused. Hang in there we will get through this.

  25. I am from Canada Windsor across from
    Detroit I go there on a weekly basis
    Lions pistons shopping etc.I dont no where yous live but I walk downtown Detroit which is about 80% black and never have had a problem. I have been stopped the cops a couple times who seem to be mainly black and they were just like any other cop not nice but didnt beet me

  26. Max. If you are not racist that's fine. However there are large movements of racist and terrorist groups like the key Nazionale low riders etc vikings who were lapd and there were some known key in Chicago pd. Secondly
    many prole are racist that you probably deal with daily. You already know that though and the oppressed group will always have speakers like the Ira spoke out against the British

  27. AS an former California peace officer, I can say without equivocation that every incident where a police officer uses lethal force is different, but all are the same in a particular way. Every police officer who uses his handgun uses it to defend himself or someone else. If an officer believes he is in jeapordy for his life, he is justified to pull and use his weapon. Let's say the cop is 5'8" and the suspect is 6'5" and weighs 300 pounds. Is the cop at a disadvantage in a hand-to-hand combat situation? You bet he is.

    In the case of the shooting of 300 pound, 6'3" Michael Brown by Officer Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri, the blacks are trying to say that because Brown was shot in the hands, he had his hands up in front of him trying to give-up. Yet, how does a person attack another person? With his hands down, or up in front of him? A person attacks with his hands up. If Brown was attacking Officer Wilson, he was trying to harm the cop with his hands. Wilson said he shot Wilson when he came at him. Why won't they believe that a man who had just committed a strong-arm robbery would attack a police officer? Just like Trayvon Martin, they want to say that Michael Brown was just a peaceful black 18 year old who was trying to surrender to a police officer. Does that really sound believable after watching the video of Brown robbing the store?

  28. @nrnowlin…

    First off, thank you for your service. More of us appreciate it than it seems.

    Yes exactly. But all of these people calling for/demanding the officer's conviction, will never accept the facts of this case. Even if it was on video from beginning to end, they'd still be screaming foul. As a direct example, look at the reaction to the robbery video that shows Brown and Johnson robbing a store while being violent. First they said it was a fake video. Then the police edited it to look like brown, because they were certain he was wearing different clothes when he died, which is 100% false. Then they said it was irrelevant. How is a man being physically violent over stolen cigars, only 10 minutes prior, irrelevant? It is proof that Brown was not a "gentle giant" as his family and community falsely claimed. Its proof that he may be more likely to confront an officer, because he may have thought the cop was there about the robbery. But now that the lies are out, They won't stop claiming that the cops shoot them with their hands up.
    And it will start up again every time something similar happens.

    They have been told that 2+2=5 for so long by people like Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest that they will never accept that it's 4.

    In reality though, 70 more whites are killed every year than Blacks in police custody. Of the top deaths, a very small amount are unarmed, and they aren't mostly black.

    And when considering the amount of US arrest a year are approximately 12 million and the amount of cop related deaths are approximately 400, there are 99.9% of arrest subjects that are not killed.

    That means cops are more effective at arrest without death, than birth control is effective. But we trust birth control.

  29. Blaqueheartedarken, more blacks are in jail for drug possession than whites because drug possession includes possession with intent to sell which is where blacks outnumber whites. Most whites who use drugs can only be found guilty for the small amounts theyre going to use. They arent caught with stashes, amounts over an ounce or baggied supplies. Do some real research on their charges and not just lump people into one category. Possession of narcotics near schools, in known drug areas and in larger amounts leads to higher charges and longer sentences. A black guy with a kilo hes about to sell is more likely to go to jail than a white guy with a gram hes about to use personally. 64% of police homicides occur where a cop kills a white person. Only 32% are against black people which pales in comparison to crime statistics that show blacks killing 91% of other blacks. Whites killed only 7% of blacks yet blacks killed 14% of whites… twice as many white people die by black hands than blacks by white hands.

  30. Well then, it's perfectly equal, unless you consider the fact that African Americans are only 12.6% of the population.

  31. What percentage of killings of white suspects are by black cops and how does that compare to the percentage of blacks killed by white cops? Might that be the telling statistic?

  32. I would like to know how many black police officers have killed unarmed white teens or white adult men in the past 30 years?

  33. They drown white people in Missouri, St. Louis post dispatch sept 4 ,2014. Face it, white or black, when the police are in the news everyday…..aren't we becoming a police state. By the way..no charges filed, handcuffed behind his back at the bottom of the lake of the ozarks.

  34. Umm. He ran over two cops. He wasn't parked where he is suppressed to be. You don't drive away when a cop is trying to talk to you. Any driving instructor tells their students that a vehicle is merely a weapon. Because cars kill. Oh, that is unfortunate, because he is in possession of a potentially deadly weapon. Which, he used against police. Yeah, he technically wasn't unarmed. Because he had a several thousand pound weapon that he did use against the police. Outside of a bar, none the less. Was he intoxicated? That's another crime, considering he was the driver. You forgot that protocol DOES let an officer shoot if their life or the lives of others are in danger.

    What you've shared is that this guy was parked illegally, tried fleeing from the officers, ran over 2 officers with a potentially deadly weapon, outside of a bar.

    Parked illegally. – 1 crime.
    Hit 2 officers. – 2 crimes.
    Fleeing from an officer. – 1 crime.
    Potential DUI. – 1 potential crime.

    Final verdict?

    He could have killed 2 law enforcement officers because of his violations of traffic laws.

    Would you have rather him drive away and kill innocent civilians? Somehow, it'll STILL be a white man's fault if he drove off and hit an innocent civilian.

  35. Do you think maybe if young black America wouldn't strive to be "thugs" maybe they wouldn't be profiled as one?
    It's about role models, of which black America has not had since King. Hip Hop "Culture" is as much to blame for the continuation of profiling than anything. (Not all of it, but for sure the Rap part, which is a HUGE demographic for young black males, and females). And let's not forget, 2 out of 3 black children are being born out of wedlock. So without a father to teach them to be a man, who is? All too often it is Slim Thug or some other rapper that goes, "hard for their hood."
    I seriously doubt any of these innocent victims was wearing a polo shirt. The black community needs to understand what hip-hop is to conservatives in this country: a counter-culture. Do you have the right to SAG? Of course, but you can and will be judged for it. And what is wrong with that? To be honest, to be thought of as "Hard," is what many of these kids strive for! Somewhat of a double standard, and a sad one at that.

  36. i am half black and half white i have lived in a predominantly white, very affluent neighborhood for the past six years and i have never endured such racism in my 32 years of living!! all people see in this world is rich,poor,and skin color!! i was never arrested in my life time until i moved to where i live. i have been arrested over 6 times in the past 4 years the most serious charge was for jaywalking and there was no cross walk!! but you better believe the next day they put one down all because i tried to fight the charge with a paid lawyer which this town had no idea i was able to afford one. they were under the assumption that he is just a darkskin person we can take advantage of. i was also arrested for resisting arrest. my whole arrest was video recorded and it was proven in a court of law that i did no such thing all because a white police officer did not like the way i walked around the corner of my own house!! the only chare was resisting arrest which was thrown out because of my video!! nothing ever happened to the cop!! is he not supposed to be in trouble dor lying? ?? oh yeah i forgot i am the only black person in a town of abot 3000!!! so if there is any doubt in anyomes mind that these white police officers arent power hungry and racist then wake up and join the rest of society people should not be mad because i can afford to live in a rich area and im not white i know thats what the problem is!! i have endured both sides of the spectrum by far and i can honestly say i have heard the word nigger all my life it wasnt until my ollege years that black people came up with cracker!!! so whats all this tell you racism is alive and wiil never die because of ingnorant people!!

  37. Black thug culture means you can punch a cop in the face and claim to be a victim.

    What we really need is the toxicology report for Mr. Brown, was that released by the grand jury?

  38. I think you guys are all twisted in your heads it has NOTHING to do with what race a person is who commits a crime it's not the color of THEIR skin it's them as an individual who commits the crime whether they are white, black, Hispanic, Arab, Chinese it don't matter everyone has a choice to make when they decide to do what they do their skin does not so before you guys say N this or C this or think that blacks are racist on whites or vice versa it's not all about the color of their skin I will not say that all officers are like that because idk I am white I have black friends I have been pulled over by white cops and black cops my cars have been searched you think it was because I am white or because he is black both color officers were there, I have 2 mixed boys do you think I like going into a store and getting means looks?? No I don't but I will stick up for what I know is right my kids are not raised to be racist in no means will they ever will be, you treat people with respect no matter their color and you guys dogging all races in America is not helping solve the solution it's making it worse were going into 2015 and still it goes on why???? Do you people not have anything better to do then to tear down other people?? So what if people do wrong justice will be served whether you agree or not it's reality and it's life deal with it….
    And for the comment on whites will be minority in the next decade rethink that I will by no means let no one white black Mexican Arab take us off the face of the earth and belittle me I am a white American born and raised and my two feet god gave me will stand my ground whether you poor pathetic called human beings continue to make America a living hell

  39. I am a mother of three black children 2, 10, 11, and I teach them to love everyone. I can only pray that one day they bring home someone that is god fearing and a good person. I could care less what their race is as long as they are good people. I feel so sorry for those who cannot treat people with dignity and respect regardless of what race they are. I treat people based on the content of their character as I was taught as a child. I still know and experience racism from white people because I live in the south, but I just turn the other cheek because they have the problem, not me. I laugh at every time a white women sees me and grabs her purse as if I was going to take it not knowing that I am a well educated black women with my own home and plenty of money in the bank. If we parents teach our children to love everyone, eventually racism has no choice but to die out.
    As far as police officers are concerned, they shot, harass, and misuse their authority with all races. I have seen black and white police harass and torture all kinds of people. I tell people to start complaining and even suggest class action lawsuits because what it all comes down to is training and misuse of authority. Their power goes to their heads, but all police aren't like that. People need to complain more because black people believe that it just happens to us…

  40. Self proclaimed victims will remain victims. Do some research if you care so strongly about police officers killing people. I think you will find, as I did that police kill all races. If my child made the poor choice of fighting with a police officer and try to take his gun I would expect he would be shot. If anyone acted violently toward me and tried to take my gun I would shoot them.

  41. Sorry but if you give a cop a reason to feel threatened, or feel that you're a threat to others, then you're probably going to get what you deserve. That is regardless of color. The incident above was clearly an accident, and the cop knew it, and has to live with it the rest of his life.
    As far as Michael Brown is concerned, he ran at Wilson, which resulted in him being a "weapon". If you don't think a 6'4", 300lb. man running at you full speed is a weapon, then you should put yourself in Wilson's shoes, and think about what you would do if you had seconds to make a decision. I found an interesting article about this topic here. pottsmerc.com/opinion/20140925/unarmed-suspects-are-still-dangerous
    As far as color is concerned, i highly doubt Wilson was thinking "holy crap this big black kid is running at me". I'm sure in that split second, he was thinking "this very large kid is going to overpower me and get my gun". Now i'm not saying there aren't any corrupt or racist cops out there, because i'm sure there are, but quit making every about being black already. There are other people out there, who aren't white, that are just a racist or more racist. Do cops go overboard on occasion, yes? However, it happens to more than just black people, and rioting/ looting just makes people look even worse. It's called uneducated, uninformed, and feeling entitled.

  42. White people are expected to be a minority in the next decade. That is based on CENSUS numbers and takes into account the current growth rate of all races. That was not a cheap shot or a threat-it is a fact! White people are not producing white children as fast as other races are producing their respective children.
    I feel that the last two generations of whites (the vast majority) taught their children, students, etc of racial acceptance and equality. I think those same generations of blacks continued to teach their children the prejudices they faced and how the children should be on guard, not trust whites, especially white cops.
    I really believe that is the reason for the racial divide white people are feeling right now. Most black people are angry and upset about the killing of Michael Brown but most white people see from the tape in the store that he was criminal. His death on the street could have saved someone else's life that he could have one day taken. What really bothers me as a non racist, fully accepting of all races, natural born American is that I feel myself resenting the black people marching to defend him! They are calling for the cops head on a platter because "black lives matter". Well, news flash people, ALL LIVES MATTER! I refuse to believe that the police are just the KKK with a license to kill. HOW THE POLICE TREAT YOU DURING AN ENCOUNTER IS BASED DIRECTLY ON HOW YOU ARE BEHAVING DURING THE ENCOUNTER!!! It is a slap in the face of white people when you cry racism every time a black person is killed by white people.
    Nothing at all indicates racism in the Michael Brown case. The officer didn't yell out the N word before he shot him.
    No one is talking about equality anymore! Now everyone wants to protect their own race. I know many white people are getting sick and tired of hearing the cries of racsim in one ear and hearing the disgusting racist comments being made by blacks against them in the other. You are CREATING real racism that used to mainly exist in your mind!

  43. Here's the thing: for *real* and lasting change to happen and be effective, people have to stop weighing the value of an innocent black man's life against an innocent white man's life, and acknowledge that BOTH lives are precious and that NO unarmed person should be getting killed by police, black or white. By fixating on the color of the victim's skin, we're making this primarily a race-issue. And, don't get me wrong, it *is* a race issue. BUT – the BIGGER issue is the fact that innocent people are being shot and killed. By fixating on race, we undermine the most alarming issues and fail to address them with any real solutions.

    And if racism is truly something we want to quell in America, it's going to require people of ALL races to stop slinging blame, pointing fingers, and spouting hatred, judgement, all-encompassing generalities and condemnation. Every time you do, you contribute to the problem. But keep in mind: there are racists on BOTH sides of the issue who don't actually want peace, and they tend to scream the loudest above the rabble.

    Those of us who know better are the ones who have to ignore their crazy-talk and do what we can to remind people that the ones talking the loudest aren't necessarily in the right.

  44. How many cops were shot by teens. Shit I watch gangland and that's all there talking about selling drug or shooting. 1 in 4 teens have a gun theses days and gangs just make it that much worst for black community s

  45. What about cops shot by teens and this isn't the 4th 1 in 4 teens have a gun

  46. It was also done to the Irish and Scottish. Whites. The issue is not race, it's wealth and social status. The rich stay rich by turning the poorer against each other.

  47. Trayvon was murdered by an idiot following him abd the let him go….sad. Brown I don't know what happened. But he paid for his items and he took som extras…Brown I believe had a bad attitude, but I don't think he was trying to commit suicide by cop.

  48. Over the past 10 years an average of less than 3 cops a year have been killed by people under 18. The average age a cop killer is 30.

    fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/tables/table_42_leos_fk_age_group_of_known_offender_2004-2013.xls

  49. NO! IT IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE!!! When you swore in as an officer of the law, you knew the inherent risks that came along with it… Just like firefighters know they might burn, and dive instructors might DROWN. You MUST take that extra moment to IDENTIFY the object before you pull that trigger. Their job should be to make sure EVERYONE comes out alive at the end, not dead and picking up the pieces! You cannot treat the population of this country with distrust because of your fear of the FEW who MAY! Try dating a girl and treat her a certain way for how the last girl treated you, and tell me how THAT goes for you!

  50. Wow, some great points on this thread, (and some not so great ones, but I think that's more to do with the level of passion involved than anything else).
    I'm a Welshman living in Germany and even my German workmates are commenting on the shootings, saying how one sided it all appears to be. I suppose it's because of the quantity of news stories about them, and the heavy racial factor involved. .

    However, as one person pointed out in a different thread, there's no news in whiteys being killed, as they don't riot about it, (unless they're French, lol)

    One fine lady wrote, " I could care less what their race is as long as they are good people."
    Right there is the cure for America's ills!
    I hope you manage to find a path out of this, America. The world looks to you, and it's disturbing to see the Land of the Free bogging itself down in hate, mistrust and anger, (from both sides).

  51. When are the American people going to stand up against the damn police in this country whether your black or white they play by their rules and have no consequences its time we take our country back and make every public servant wear cameras at all times and if they turn them off at any time they should be terminated if America hasn't realized this or not its not the bloods the crips or latin kings you have to worry about its the men and women in blue they are the biggest and most corrupt gang in this country and if this hipocracy doesn't stop soon the great people of this nation need to uprise and show them we out number them and that they cant take us all im sick to death of the police killing innocent black and white people they just happen to call it justifiable homicide which is total BS political Bullshit and its time we take this country away from the police and quit giving them the tax dollars to purchase all of there millitRY EQUIPMENT. The average cop has no training in military weaponry and have no business using it against its own citizens its time we make a stand and ask our leaders why they give these average high school graduates the ability to live above the law. Im a white Veteran and cant believe the power we have given the men in blue they are all cowards hiding behind a gun and a badge plus military equipment its got to stop anyone with me on this

  52. You asked for two examples!! It's not even good enough when you get the answer to what you asked for. The whole conclusion of the matter is simple; it simply fits nobody's liberal or radical personal agendas to protest the shooting of a white person!! We all need to remember that we all have been created by the same God and that purpose is to become part of His family; white,yellow,brown, black! ! And when you have to answer to Him about your actions, He isn't going to care what color you are and condone rioting, looting, race bating,and taking measures upon themselves that are deplorable and horse examples for our youth

  53. washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/?page=all

  54. I'd just like to say I'm a WHITE FEMALE who lives in a predominantly white neighborhood as well an I've had problems with cops to I got a disordaly conduct charge because I was trying to go in my house n my neighbor said I woke him up n the cop slammed me agents my car n twisted my arm behind my back an I'm 5'5 125lbs keep in mind then another time I was pulled down the street of my house talking to a friend in my car someone must of called the cops an even after I explained I lived there an they saw my I'd the searched me an my friend n tore my car apart police are just ass holes sometimes you got good an bad once I've had plenty more incidents that were uncalled for an the abused there power but I have in countered a few nice once as well my point is it doesn't matter the race cops can just be dicks no matter who you are ..I mean really I'm a non drug user an I don't drink an I still have had problems it also depends on the time of month they want to reach a quota but point being if they have any little reason they will take it an run with it is bin pulled over for having an air freshener on my mirror it "impaired my vision" so blacks aren't the only one's dealing with dick head cops

  55. Let's focus on fixing the problem by getting police officers the safe way to subdue a criminal without having to shoot them, then we don't have to worry about race and we can concentrate on what really matters right/wrong.

  56. blackz hate thiz country so much and iz miztreated so bad why dont they move back to africa where they have it so good…

  57. Oh, hai! Doez you always type like lolcat? I iz a professor who appreciates more literate comments.

  58. Of all unarmed people killed by cops each year, about 60% are white, about 30% black, 10% other. Media only reports the black death because of the reaction y'all exhibit. Crazy sells stories! However, Unarmed doesn't mean "not deadly"! There's so many ways one could kill without a hand weapon. Which is why cops have guns to begin with, to always have the upper hand and protect themselves from those whom do not have respect for law & order. I'm white, yet have been a victim of cop legal over reach plenty times, beat down for barely even resisting, I was just asking a question. But secretly, inside my mind, I was being a dick!. I'm man enough to admit I was out of order, did my jail yime, learned my lesson, never looked back! That's reform! That's the help the law has to offer! The system works best when parents raise children correctly. Something that's apparently rare in black families. Based strictly on the stats of course, not my personal opinion.

  59. How on earth does a cop confuse a gun/rifle with a cane?? second, he is using a GUN that takes people's LIFE our from them, how could he be so easy triggering man?? Incredible, shooting should be the last resource not the first one.

  60. American media lords want race conflicts.

    It keeps all of you preoccupied with hating and fighting each other instead of focusing on the money masters, (neocon) warmongers and politicians who are enslaving you, taxing you and sending you out into mindless wars for the world empire.

    My 5 cents.

  61. I am not so called prejudice tho' many may think so after my comment. I have been robbed 3 times 2 times at gun point ! 2 of my sisters have had their purses nabbed. my step son was cut in his face and hand and had to have therapy on his hand also left a scar on his face, for just $50. all crimes were done by BLACK MALES so in my opinion which I am sorry to say the all crimes have against me & my family was done by Black Males Period ! So who commits the most crimes ??

  62. The truth is the media reports the killing of black men because they want ratings nothing more. All life is precious no matter of race or where people are from. As a former soldier I can tell you I am ashamed of this country. I could care less the color of my fellow soldiers skin, he had my back and I had his. When a fellow soldier was killed we did say "he is this color so no loss!" We felt that loss just like it was our own family member. I am a white man who happens to be married to a beautiful black woman with two amazing bi racial children. If you were to ask my wife or her family if they are African American you will hear them say they are American!

    Those of you referencing statistics are wasting your time as they are never going to be accurate. There are good police then there are bad police just like in other job fields. Then we have the people making reference that the black people should go back to Africa which is just ignorant and a pathetic choice of words. If that were the case then the only people who have a right to be here are they Native American people since they have been here long before anyone else.

  63. Well if I could do a study, I am sure white police killed more than a black officer/officer's. Whatever the situation be. More when it comes to white police killing black civilians

  64. I'm pretty sure there have been studies that have found that black police kill more people, per capita, than white police. Black police particularly kill more black people than white police. This doesn't mean that black police are more trigger happy (it could mean that, but I doubt it) but is most likely a simple reflection of the fact that black police are more likely to be working in high crime black neighborhoods. I think if one holds neighborhood constant, white and black police shoot at similar rates.

  65. this is ridiculous we are making big deals that black people get killed but over 1/3 more white people get killed by cops alone

  66. omg, they are shooting old people with canes now. This is very sad.I am speechless at this point.

  67. Police state, too much!? Sure sometimes, but see what ensues when no one has any fear of the law. I both hate and love cops as much as the next guy but if you wanna make a real difference politics is where it's at. Politicians write the laws that give or take power from the police. I think everybody needs to take a step back and stop paying so much attention to our shitty news system. Bottom line is I know more people who are afraid of fucking everything because they watch the news all the time. Mad about Treyvon or whatever other bullshit that effects .0001% of the population. I don't use drugs, outside of alcohol, at all. Why the fuck are we locking people up at an insane rate for non violent "crimes." If pot makes you feel better do it… Just do it within reason. This whole thread is a great example of how we are all made to act crazy about things that in reality don't effect us at all. But we take it in the ass every time we pay a $130 ticket for parking 7" from the curb.

  68. Per bjs.gov, the majority of fatal shooting by an officer of blacks are black police officers. Why is that not in the news? Or all the unarmed whites shot by blacks? The mainstream media only presents to a narrative not an unbiased report of the news.

    We have bad cops, not all are one race or gender. The Mike Brown shooting was proven justified. I anticipate the SC shooting will not be justified. The media passes judgment before the facts are in and never are held accountable. Just like the Duke Lacrosse rape case, or the rape in the Rolling Stone article.

    The media and professional social justice warriors are a very big contribution to this problem. With inaccurate and faked statistics to show the narrative they want.

  69. FIRST YOU HAVE LIES, THEN YOU HAVE, "DAMNED LIES" AND THEN YOU STATISTICS…"

  70. The problem is that the government is trying to keep the black community dependent on the government, case in point, Baltimore. 40years democrat rule in that city, how many more years will it take before the black community realize that the Al Sharpton's the Jesse Jackson's and democrats in general want you in the depths of poverty, why? It keeps them in power over the black community and that is SAD.

  71. When a black police officer shoots a white man does he indicted or not?

    now compare the % of black police officers who shoot and kill a white man and go to jail to the number of white police officers who shoot a black man and don't go to jail.

    do all the research you want. but killing black people is basically promoted.

    They probably get cool points for it. TBH THANK GOD I DONT LIVE THERE NO MORE.

  72. The reason they are more 'blacks' arrested for drug charges than whites is because the police try to get the DEALERS off the street instead of the poor addicts that have been caught in a web of drugs even though they are arrested rather often

  73. Anonymous said, "When a black police officer shoots a white man does he indicted or not?

    now compare the % of black police officers who shoot and kill a white man and go to jail to the number of white police officers who shoot a black man and don't go to jail.

    do all the research you want. but killing black people is basically promoted."

    Everything you said was based on emotions. None of it is fact, get you finish it off as it is somehow truth? Its a disgusting trend all of you antiwhite douchebags exhibit.

    As to what you said- let's look at 2 comparisons in high profile black cases with very similar white counterparts… First up
    Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman was arrested but acquitted.

    White counterpart
    Christopher Cirvini: Roderick Scott was arrested but acquitted.

    Differences in the two cases:
    Zimmerman followed but did not attack first. He eventually shot Martin in self defense, which only applied because Martin's assault. Had Martin just creepily watched as Zimmerman did, her be alive.

    Roderick Scott looked out the window saw a kid in a neighbor's car. He grabbed his gun, ran downstairs, told them to freeze, then supposedly shot Christopher when he ran towards him. He did not get assaulted or injured. He was acquitted. (Black people refuse to acknowledge this).

    Next up…
    Michael Brown: White officer acquitted
    Dillion Taylor: non white officer acquitted

    All that aside… What about all the cases like lance/Christensen? Beat to death, tortured by blacks.

    How about the Denton ward case? He was beaten to mush in a parking lot for being white by at least 20 blacks in a crowd of 300+. It happened 8 days before Martin but most people never heard of it, even after a 20+million lawsuit was won against McDonalds for unsafe establishment. No charges for his murder. One guy went to jail for 90days. Acknowleging his part in beating yet he didn't get murder charges?

    These type cases are the norm and increase more every day. The common theme is whites beaing beat, tortured, robbed, raped, murdered, by black folks all the time, yet we continue to hear about the few and far between? Its disgusting and pointless. Black people need to get past their hatred today for what happened to others in the past, because the civil rights movement was a cake walk compared to the fight we will have when whites wake up and get tired of it.

    Don't belive me? Look up whitegirlbleedalot(dot)com or on YouTube. Check out black mob violence. Look at race war coming searches as well.

  74. "The reason they are more 'blacks' arrested for drug charges than whites is because the police try to get the DEALERS off the street instead of the poor addicts that have been caught in a web of drugs even though they are arrested rather often"

    I almost agree. However, it's more because white dealers are less likely to hang out on the street or in parking lots to sale at. Whites are more careful and deliberate. Whites are less likely to congregate with other dealers and users in obvious high crime areas. Cops are less likely to patrol in rural areas where whites live in general.

    Though whites do drugs at similar rates, they don't do them in the open and in high crime areas as often. Whites smoke at home, on back roads, in outdoor open areas, instead of in parking lots, the movies, etc. Whites also don't carry a lot with them as they typically have buyers and amounts planned out instead of stopping strangers to ask them if they want it.

    I'm not biased- just based on my experiences as a legal assistant/paralegal.

  75. Just my 2 cents: I was raised in an ultra progressive liberal – for – generations pro civil rights family and never blame an entire race for my experiences. However, had to be treated for PTSD after 3 violent muggings (once attacked and beaten by a gang of youths, once beaten for my purse in the lobby of my building and once icily held at gun point in my home).So, i know what its like to look into the eyes of a person and see that my life doesn't matter. In addition, have been pick- pocketed, robbed (neighbor saw black man leaving my apartment with suitcases full of loot) and had my sons first new bicycle stolen from him as I watched, by a black child not much older. He turned to me and said "Mom, is that my friend?" In his school he was a white minority and was starting to be targeted as early as 4th grade. Recently a close friend was brain injured by a young black kid who slammed him in the head with a hammer- part of the knock out game. All police wanted to do was to insist that it was a "random act of violence" so it wouldnt go down as a hate crime. Just wanted to offer some perspective on why whites may deeply fear blacks – it has been conditioned by bad experiences. Also, please teach your children of any race not to sass, be rude or resistant to police. Keep your cool and have the utmost courtesy. They have guns.

  76. Blaqueheartdarken, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. 91% of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks….. Go look up actual statistics. You're just spewing numbers out that are completely false. There's two sides to ever fence. When is the last time you saw a story about a white person killed by police all over the news? How is the media so pro-white when they are the ones constantly reporting all these black victims being killed by police? I just read a story about a black cop who shot and killed a 70 year old white veteran. Never seen or heard of that until I looked up white victims of police force.. Not saying there isn't a bigger race problem in certain parts of the country, but grouping all whites or all cops into the same boat of racism is not different than white raciat people.

  77. Plenty! But the 6 year old autistic boy was nothing but innocent! No felony record. Shot 6 times by 2 black police offers. Shot his dad too! Innocent too! There are more! Better yet you can find them all day long you just have to care enough to look. And you don't! Show me 1 black clean record of just felonies killed by white cop!! I know of 1! The lady that was taken to jail for that stupid traffic stop and later found dead! All the other lives that have been reported are felons! Rape, drug charges, dv,list goes on! As a so called white person I don't give a shit what color your skin is if you have been found guilty of rape and dv! And not regersting as a sex offender! All who commit those crimes should have been life or death. Not let out in the first place!

  78. And all the black cops that killed those white guys went back to work cleared too! Get your info right! The only ones so far were the 2 blacks that shot the autistic boy! They were suspended. But they shot an autistic 6 year old! I don't know about you but what I've read on all shootings black or white this is the only case where there is no doubt this child was innocent! The rest are questionable to say the least! So until no whites are killed by black police this whole thing is crap! What's gonna happen is an all out race war! Let me tell u what happens then! We all loose our right! Ever heard of Marshall Law?! Well, you think its bad now!? Our country will be answering to military just to leave our neighborhood! And you piss off the military well get ready! Your live as you know it now will be over! We need to come together as 1 and try solving the problem! Not falling for all the race hate!

  79. Ummmm the autistic 6 year old killed by two black cops and the white kid walking in the street in Baltimore shot by a black cop because the black cop said he didn't belong there

  80. Kimberly Grammer … you are so right but you just cannot explain this to people that can't see the whole picture. Sooner or later they will understand and then it will be too late, but until then they will continue to be ignorant. I say it will be a cop on blacks and whites war. The black people that shoot police officers shoot BLACK police officers also. So this is why I think it will be about the police and the people, black or white.

  81. Stop letting cops murder innocent people and put them in prison like any other murders. Stop coming up with silly excuses to not put these cops murduring innocent people more often because they are ususally set free . i really dont know what the agurment could be to let a murder go especially when you see it right on camera.stop making a joke out of the criminal justice system.

  82. And u were right back in 2014 because look what is going on in 2016??? The media is having a field day over Keith Scott when it turned out that he had a gun and was killed by a black officer. Even with video many r saying the cops planted the gun etc. Things r only going to get worse in this country! I always hear that if the person was white they wouldn't of been shot and if they were white the cop would do time etc. It is so not true. There have been many whites killed by cops who were unarmed and the cops got away with it. They all hear and see what they want no matter the evidence. It has nothing to do with race as they say. It just has to do with some cops being Assholes and the power gets to their heads. God bless America

  83. You mean the plan invented by author John A. Williams in his novel The Man Who Cried I Am?

    It's not real bro.

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